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September 09, 2004

The sixty-first minute

Today's big Boston Globe story on President Bush's Air National Guard service is based on memos to file from the personal records of the late Lieutenant Colonel Jerry B. Killian: "Bid cited to boost Bush in Guard."

The Globe story is itself based on last night's 60 Minutes report: "New questions on Bush Guard duty." The online version of the 60 Minutes story has links to the memos. Killian died in 1984; CBS states that it "consulted a handwriting analyst and document expert who believes the material is authentic." Readers Tom Mortensen and Liz MacDougald direct us to the FreeRepublic post and thread (see post no. 47) to this effect:

Every single one of the memos to file regarding Bush's failure to attend a physical and meet other requirements is in a proportionally spaced font, probably Palatine or Times New Roman. In 1972 people used typewriters for this sort of thing (especially in the military), and typewriters used mono-spaced fonts.

The use of proportionally spaced fonts did not come into common use for office memos until the introduction high-end word processing systems from Xerox and Wang, and later of laser printers, word processing software, and personal computers. They were not widespread until the mid to late 90's.

Before then, you needed typesetting equipment, and that wasn't used for personal memos to file. Even the Wang and other systems that were dominant in the mid 80's used mono-spaced fonts. I doubt the TANG had typesetting or high-end 1st generation word processing systems.

I am saying these documents are forgeries, run through a copier for 15 generations to make them look old. This should be pursued aggressively.

UPDATE: Thanks to all the readers who have written regarding this post. Several have pointed out that the Executive line of IBM typewriters did have proportionally spaced fonts, although no reader has found the font used in the memos to be a familiar one or thought that the IBM Executive was likely to have been used by the National Guard in the early 1970's. Reader Monty Walls has also cited the IBM Selectric Composer. However, reader Eric Courtney adds this wrinkle:

The "Memo To File" of August 18, 1973 also used specialized typesetting characters not used on typewriters. These include the superscript "th" in 187th, and consistent ’ (right single quote) used instead of a typewriter's generic ' (apostrophe). These are the sorts of things that typesetters did manually until the advent of smart correction in things like Microsoft Word.

UPDATE 2: Reader John Risko adds:

I was a clerk/typist for the US Navy at the Naval Underwater Systems Center (NUSC) in Newport RI for my summer job in 1971 when I was in college. I note the following with regard to the Killian memos:

1) Tom Mortensen is absolutely correct. Variable type was used only for special printing jobs, like official pamphlets. These documents are forgeries, and not even good ones. Someone could have at least found an old pre-Selectric IBM (introduced around 1962). Actually, I believe we were using IBM Model C's at the time, which was the precursor to the Selectric.

2) I also used a Variype machine in 1971. I fooled around with it in my spare time. It was incredibly difficult to set up and use. It was also extremely hard to correct mistakes on the machine. Most small letters used two spaces. Capital letters generally used three spaces. I think letters like "i" may have used one space. Anyway, you can see that this type of machine was piloted by an expert, and it would NEVER be used for a routine memo. A Lt. Colonel would not be able to identify a Varitype machine, let alone use it.

3) US Navy paper at the time was not 8 1/2 x 11. It was 8 x 10 1/2. I believe this was the same throughout the military, but someone will have to check on that. This should show up in the Xeroxing, which should have lines running along the sides of the Xerox copy.

4) I am amused by the way "147 th Ftr.Intrcp Gp." appears in the August 1, 1972 document. It may have been written that way in non-forged documents, but as somone who worked for ComCruDesLant, I know the military liked to bunch things together. I find "147 th" suspicious looking. 147th looks better to me, but the problem with Microsoft Word is that it keeps turning the "th" tiny if it is connected to a number like 147. And finally......

5) MORE DEFINITIVE PROOF OF FORGERY: I had neglected even to look at the August 18, 1973 memo to file. This forger was a fool. This fake document actually does have the tiny "th" in "187th" and there is simply no way this could have occurred in 1973. There are no keys on any typewriter in common use in 1973 which could produce a tiny "th." The forger got careless after creating the August 1, 1972 document and slipped up big-time.

In summary, the variable type reveals the Killian memos to be crude forgeries, the tiny "th" confirms it in the 8/18/73 memo, and I offer my other points as icing on the cake.

UPDATE 3: We have received so much information from readers that it's hard to keep up. Reader Fred Godel points us to Kevin Drum's Washington Monthly "Smoking gun update" stating that the White House has released copies of two of the memos and left their authenticity undisputed. Reader John Burgess adds:

I'm afraid the Post 47 at Free Republic is not compelling. By 1969, I was using an IBM Selectric typewriter, with proportional type balls. They were widely available in the public sector-and thus readily available to the military. I do not recall having used a Palatine typeface, but Times Roman was certainly common. While I do think the entire argument about "Bush/AWOL" is bull, the raising of type faces is not useful. In fact, it's counterproductive because it's demonstrably false.

Reader Chris Rohlfs points to another "document in Bush's record (http://www.cis.net/~coldfeet/doc27.gif) which, if real (I got that link from here) appears to have some typing from the same typewriter. Look at the word 'Recommend.'" Reader Larry Nichols adds:

What a freakin' joke! I served in the Air Force for 21 years -- 1968 to 1989 -- the first 7 as a Personnel Specialist and the remainder as a PSM (Personnel Systems Manager). I also spent 2 years as an inspector at Hq SAC, Offutt AFB, NE in Omaha, inspecting Personnel Offices at all 26 SAC bases. As a PSM I had to know every job in Personnel, including the proper filing of documents in individual military records. Memos were NOT used for orders, as the one ordering 1LT Bush to take a physical. This would have done as a letter, of which a copy should have been sent to the CBPO (Consolidated Base Personnel Office) to be filed in 1LT Bush's military record. Memos DID NOT get filed in personnel records.

I first used a computer in the Air Force in 1971 while stationed at Albrook AFB, Canal Zone. The computers were used only for updating records data. The Air Force was the first branch of the military to use a mainframe (Burroughs B-3500) computer for updating military records. Punch cards were used up until then. There were no Word Processors used until the late 1970's or early 1980's. Typewriters were still used extensively until the mid-1980s. These memos appear to be bogus.

As far as an Officer Effectiveness Report (OER) on Bush, unless he was under a supervisor for X number of days during a reporting period, no report could be written. Under special circumstances, a report could be written with only 60 days of supervision. The period may cover an extended period. Example: FROM 1 JUN 1970 THRU 15 DEC 1971 (more than 1 year) DAYS SUPERVISED: 60. The "vanilla civilian" Liberals and Journalists should quit trying to talk and write about things they know nothing about. In Sen. Kerry's case, that includes almost everything!

Finally -- finally for the moment -- reader Joshua Persons writes:

I've written a post regarding the forgery post on my weblog (click here). Mostly a rehash, but I googled and found a comparable, unrelated government memo from 1972 for visual comparison. Check it out at http://www.ecy.wa.gov/pubs/72e30.pdf .

UPDATE 4: Charles Johnson has written to let us know that he has resolved the issue: "Bush Guard documents: Forged."

UPDATE 5: Reader Timothy Sampson writes:

There is no confirmation of authenticity by the White House. See Kevin Drum's update:
I now have copies of the memos the White House released, and they are just versions that CBS faxed to the White House the day before the 60 Minutes segment aired. There's no indication that the White House had its own copies of these memos and had been sitting on them. Apologies.

UPDATE 6: Reader Elbow Elbow provides this "link to the PDFs of the memos the White House released." We are unable to confirm that the White House has "released" anything other than copies of the memos it may have been provided by CBS.

UPDATE 7: INDC Journal has posted an interesting summary of the review of the memoranda by forensic document examiner Dr. Phillip Bouffard: "Are the National Guard documents fake?"

UPDATE 8: The signatures on the CBS documents do not appear to be authentic. Check out the two signatures below, courtesy of Michele Catalano of The Command Post. The one on the left is an actual signature of Lt. Col. Jerry Killian. The one on the right is from one of the CBS documents. It's not even close; in fact, it doesn't even look like the person who signed it made any attempt to copy Killian's signature:

Since I posted this, a number of readers have written to disagree with me--they think the signature on the right is a crude effort at forgery. Dafydd ab Hugh's characteristically thorough and brilliant analysis is too long to include here, and Diana Magrann also argues persuasively that the signature is an attempt at a forgery.

UPDATE 9: Reader Andy Devlin takes issue with John Burgess, quoted above:

From 1973 until late 1982 I was a repairman for the Office Products Division of IBM. I can assure you that the comments on your site by Mr. Burgess regarding the Selectric typewriter are incorrect. The Selectric was available only in mono type. At that time my customers who wanted proportional type used either the IBM Executive typewriter or IBM Composer. The Composer was an expensive and complicated piece of equipment which would normally be found only in printing and communications departments. I doubt that it would be used to write memos to file.

UPDATE 10: Reader Jon-Erik Prichard adds what strikes me as an especially persuasive point:

[A]nother aspect of the type on [the August 18, 1973 memo] suggests, perhaps proves, forgery.
1. The type in the document is KERNED. Kerning is the typsetter's art of spacing various letters in such a manner that they are 'grouped' for better readability. Word processors do this automatically. NO TYPEWRITER CAN PHYSICALLY DO THIS.

To explain: the letter 'O' is curved on the outside. A letter such as 'T' has indented space under its cross bar. On a typewriter if one types an 'O' next to a 'T' then both letters remain separated by their physical space. When you type the same letters on a computer next to each other the are automatically 'kerned' or 'grouped' so that their individual spaces actually overlap. e. g., TO. As one can readily see the curvature of the 'O' nestles neatly under the cross bar of the 'T'. Two good kerning examples in the alleged memo are the word 'my' in the second line where 'm' and 'y' are neatly kerned and also the word 'not' in the fourth line where the 'o' and 't' overlap empty space. A typewriter doesn't 'know' what particular letter is next to another and can't make those types of aesthetic adjustments.

2. The kerning and proportional spacing in each of the lines of type track EXACTLY with 12 point Times Roman font on a six inch margin (left justified). Inother words, the sentences break just as they would on a computer and not as they would on a typewriter. Since the type on the memo is both proportionally spaced and kerned the lines of type break at certain instances (i.e., the last word in each line of the first paragraph are - 1. running, 2. regarding, 3. rating, 4. is, 5. either). If the memo was created on a typewriter the line breaks would be at different words (e. g., the word 'running' is at the absolute outside edge of the sentence and would probably not be on the first
line).

3. The sentences have a wide variance in their AMOUNT of kerning and proportional spacing. Notice how the first line of the first paragraph seems squished together and little hard to read but the last line of the first paragraph has wider more open spacing. Even the characters themselves are squished in the first line (as a computer does automatically) and more spread out on the last line where there is more room.

There's no way a typewriter could 'set' the type in this memo and even a good typesetter using a Linotype machine of the era would have to spend hours getting this effect.

UPDATE 11: CBS is sticking to its story. It's not entirely clear which story, however. Initially, CBS spokeswoman Kelli Edwards said:

As is standard practice at CBS News, each of the documents broadcast on '60 Minutes' was thoroughly investigated by independent experts, and we are convinced of their authenticity.

Later, however, Ms. Edwards sent out an email that appeared to revise the nature of the "authentication" process:

CBS verified the authenticity of the documents by talking to individuals who had seen the documents at the time they were written. These individuals were close associates of Colonel Jerry Killian and confirm that the documents reflect his opinions at the time the documents were written.

So what CBS is now saying is not that the documents are authentic, but that the opinions they express are authentic, based on the hearsay reports of anonymous persons alleged to be close associates of Col. Killian, who recall his views of thirty-two years ago. This is what passes for "authentication" in the mainstream media.

UPDATE 12: In the August 18, 1973 memo "discovered" by 60 Minutes, Jerry Killian purportedly writes:

Staudt has obviously pressured Hodges more about Bush. I'm having trouble running interference and doing my job.

But wait! Reader Amar Sarwal, citing Peter Nuss, points out that General Staudt, who thought very highly of Lt. Bush, retired in 1972.

The more I look at these "memos," the more obvious it appears that they are inept forgeries.

UPDATE 13: By the way, this is Rocket. I've been pitching in on these last few updates. Reader Theresa McAteer makes a good point:

I went to the "other document" cited by Chris Rohlfs (from the anti-Bush webpage "awolbush.com") where Bush requests - on 5 Sep 73 - to be discharged. I note that Lt. Col. Killeen's response is dated 6 Sep 73, and it is directed "TO: 147th Ftr Intcp Gp/CC"

Note: the "th" in "111th" and "147th" - from Killeen's part of the memo -- are not in superscript. As of 6 Sep 73, Killeen's typewriter did not have the superscripting key. Yet on the CBS-produced "memo" dated 18 August 1973, it does.

Actually, several of the documents on this "awolbush.com" are from the Texas ANG in this 1972 and 1973 period (the same period as the alleged memos). NONE of them have a superscripted "th", and ALL of them are in the same old 1970s-era typeface I remember from my college days (and NONE of them are in the typeface used in the alleged memos).

She's right. On the left is Killian's genuine typed memo of September 6, 1973. No superscript, and an authentically 1970's look. On the right is CBS's fake August 18 memo. Note the superscript, and the generally modern, word-processed look. Click to enlarge.

60 Minutes is toast.

FINAL UPDATE: Lest this post become too unwieldy, we will close our updates here, and begin with new posts on the subject. Stephen Hayes of the Weekly Standard has consulted with several experts who agree that the documents are, in all probability, a hoax. That will be our first new post on the subject.

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» Currently Whipping Around The Internet: CBS Bush Docs Forged from FrankLog
Evidence currently making a furious spin around the Internet suggests that documents used by CBS in their "journalistic" piece about President Bush's NG Service were forged. A roundup: Powerli... [Read More]

Tracked on September 9, 2004 01:33 PM

» Please Don't Throw Dubya into the Briar Patch! (Updated) from blogoSFERICS
Democrats to Push Guard Questions Through Election Stephen Dinan, The Washington Times Democrats said yesterday they will repeat questions about President Bush's service in the Texas Air National Guard through Election Day, following the Pentagon&... [Read More]

Tracked on September 9, 2004 01:36 PM

» Round And Round from Ipse Dixit
The media seem determined, yet again, to try yet again to get some traction for the Bush was AWOL non-story.... [Read More]

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» Forged Documents from PiratesCove
Check out Powerline's story "The Sixty First Minute" about President Bush's possibly forged memo's, and Captain Ed, as well. [Read More]

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» Are the CBS National Guard Documents Fake? from INDC Journal
INDC Exclusive. Must Credit INDC. Based on Powerline's suspicions of forgery over the documents put forth regarding George W. Bush’s National Guard service, I decided to do some legwork and track down the opinions of forensic document examiners that ma... [Read More]

Tracked on September 9, 2004 01:42 PM

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» And lo, it was so from Fanatical Apathy
In an earlier lugubrious post, I noted that when confronted by evidence proving a lie, really good liars attack the evidence: "The documents backing up your opponent were forged, probably by your opponent; the confessions coerced by torture, the court... [Read More]

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» I still remember typewriters! from Classical Values
Andrew Sullivan discusses the question of whether or not these documents (allegedly typed in the early 1970s by one of Bush's officers in the National Guard) are forgeries. Like Andrew Sullivan, I am not an expert on fonts, but I... [Read More]

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» Not Just Fact Checking, from LeatherPenguin
But TECH checking your asses: Power Line: The sixty-first minute UPDATE: Tick, tick, tick ...... [Read More]

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» Forgery at CBS? from randomnumbers.blog-city.com
I first read at Powerline that the memos attributed to Lieutenant Colonel Jerry B. Killian, and being used by CBS to cast aspersions on Bush's ANG service, may have been forged. The typeface does not match up to a 70's era typewiter. Kerry Spot pi [Read More]

Tracked on September 9, 2004 02:29 PM

» Are the CBS National Guard Documents Fake? (UPDATED: Almost Positive It's a Fake) from INDC Journal
INDC Exclusive. Must Credit INDC. Based on Powerline's suspicions of forgery over the documents put forth regarding George W. Bush’s National Guard service, I decided to do some legwork and track down the opinions of forensic document examiners that ma... [Read More]

Tracked on September 9, 2004 02:29 PM

» Grasping At Straws from The Talent Show
Okay, I said I didn't wanna talk about the Bush/National Guard story, but this is too ludicrous to pass up. The line coming from the conservative blogosphere is that the documents that CBS released to back up their story were... [Read More]

Tracked on September 9, 2004 02:32 PM

» (UPDATED: Almost Positive It's a Fake)

Are the CBS National Guard Documents Fake? from INDC Journal
INDC Exclusive. Must Credit INDC. Based on Powerline's suspicions of forgery over the documents put forth regarding George W. Bush’s National Guard service, I decided to do some legwork and track down the opinions of forensic document examiners that ma... [Read More]

Tracked on September 9, 2004 02:41 PM

» (UPDATED: Almost Positive They're Fake)

Are the CBS National Guard Documents Fake? from INDC Journal
INDC Exclusive. Must Credit INDC. Based on Powerline's suspicions of forgery over the documents put forth regarding George W. Bush’s National Guard service, I decided to do some legwork and track down the opinions of forensic document examiners that ma... [Read More]

Tracked on September 9, 2004 02:42 PM

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» (UPDATED: "At Least" 90% Positive They're Fake)

Are the CBS National Guard Documents Fake? from INDC Journal
INDC Exclusive. Must Credit INDC. Based on Powerline's suspicions of forgery over the documents put forth regarding George W. Bush’s National Guard service, I decided to do some legwork and track down the opinions of forensic document examiners that ma... [Read More]

Tracked on September 9, 2004 03:07 PM

» Holy Old Media Meltdown, Batman! from The LLama Butchers
I don't really know what to make of the contention sweeping the blogsphere today that the documents the Boston Globe, CBS and 60 Minutes are trumpeting as smoking-gun evidence that Bush was AWOL from National Guard duty are, in fact,... [Read More]

Tracked on September 9, 2004 03:07 PM

» Out-freaking-standing from Helloooo, Chapter Two!
Powerline gets linked on Drudge, and I can’t help but wonder if I had something to do with it. [Read More]

Tracked on September 9, 2004 03:08 PM

» Guilty Until Proven Innocent. And Probably After, Too. from TacJammer
The Left bleats, but for all their raving, it isn't Ashcroft who's conducting "show trials" in this country. Nor is it Rumsfeld, Cheney, or a cabal of Halliburton executives. You'd think it would be this guy, but no. It certainly... [Read More]

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» Damaging Bush Memos Could Be Forgeries [Updated] from The Command Post - 2004 US Presidential Election
The following is a post reprint from Powerline Blog, which is breaking this story and is updating frequently. It oringally appeared here and is reprinted with permission of the authors. The sixty-first minute Today’s big Boston Globe story on Pre... [Read More]

Tracked on September 9, 2004 03:15 PM

» Are 60 Minutes' AWOL Documents re: Bush Fake? from Dummocrats.com
Right wing bloggers have been abuzz all day about the possibility that CBS (or someone else) faked the latest documents that "prove" Bush was AWOL from the National Guard. Drudge reports: '60 Minutes' Documents on Bush Might Be Fake ///... [Read More]

Tracked on September 9, 2004 03:22 PM

» The Manchurian Font from Winds of Change.NET
The latest batch of documents about Bush's service - and the charges that they were forged - are making for an interesting day. [Read More]

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» I wouldn't have thought it possible from Jackalope Pursuivant
There's some very bad stuff going down, folks. Somebody, somewhere, forged official military records and convinced the all-too-willing Boston Globe, and 60 Minutes to report them as fact. Does it surprise anyone that the forged records are critical of ... [Read More]

Tracked on September 9, 2004 03:32 PM

» CBS Bush memos forgeries? from Secure Liberty
This has been an amazing day for the blogosphere. It has blown this story wide open. Follow the forgery trail over at Powerline. Drudge has linked to them and to this story. To follow the discussion, you may want to look at the documents here. ... [Read More]

Tracked on September 9, 2004 03:33 PM

» Dead Men Tell No Tales from Hold The Mayo
Things just haven't gotten better since the whole jason Blair thing, have they? [Read More]

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» 60 Minutes Documents Might Be Fake from Evilwhiteguy's Blog
Powerline is reporting that the documents regarding Bush's TANG are very likely forgeries made by using Microsoft Word and run through a copier several times to produce an older look. [Read More]

Tracked on September 9, 2004 03:35 PM

» Blogdom is buzzing from The Rough Woodsman
Dems and main stream media are basing their recent National Guard attacks on forged documents? Just maybe. Conservative blogdom is buzzing. If this turns out to be true it will be huge considering how the mainstream press was in full... [Read More]

Tracked on September 9, 2004 03:39 PM

» BUSH DOC FORGERY FLAP from The Spoons Experience
Boy, is this something, or what? The blogosphere has patted itself on the back quite a few times, and there's... [Read More]

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» Bloggers question credibility of CBS 60 Minute report from Tech-Knowledge
It looks more and more that CBS and 60 Minutes were seriously snookered on its big story this week questioning President Bush's National Guard service. Seems the documents they show were forged, claim a bunch of blogs like Power Line, which notes that:... [Read More]

Tracked on September 9, 2004 03:48 PM

» Bush Documents Fake? from chichipato.com
This might be a major scandal. The documents produced by CBS's 60 minutes might be fake. Why? A proportional font was used, which was not exactly typical at the time these reports were allegiatly made. To be honest, I don't see it, but if true - this... [Read More]

Tracked on September 9, 2004 03:51 PM

» Forged Documents from War Blogging
There are now accusations -- that appear credible -- that two or more documents broadcast on 60 Minutes last night in a story about President Bush's record in the Texas Air National Guard may in fact have been forged. Who would do such a thing? Not t... [Read More]

Tracked on September 9, 2004 03:52 PM

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» Spending the Principal III from MartiniPundit
Powerline has been all over the Bush memoranda that surfaced today. It looks really, really bad for the MMDs given that they appear to be forgeries, easily detected, yet somehow not by the original Boston Globe story. (The putative author is convenient... [Read More]

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» Rather's Trent Lott Moment? from Wizbang
In less than 24 hours the blogosphere looks to have debunked the major scoop from last nights Dan Rather/60 Minutes II hatchet job.60 Minutes has obtained a number of documents we are told were taken from Col. Killian's personal file.... [Read More]

Tracked on September 9, 2004 04:04 PM

» Were the memos forged? from The Irish Trojan's Blog
I rarely watch TV news, so I didn't see the much-discussed 60 Minutes II episode... [Read More]

Tracked on September 9, 2004 04:06 PM

» Columbia B.S. Fact-Checkers Were AWOL from damnum absque injuria
Following Columbia B.S.'s expose on the newly surfaced memos alleged to demonstrate that Bush was AWOL, PowerLine pointed out a leetle problem: all of the new memos were written in a proportionally spaced font, which was later determined to be Times N... [Read More]

Tracked on September 9, 2004 04:08 PM

» The CBS Documents Issue from it comes in pints?
Since Powerlineblog is currently down because of a Drudgealance noted by Mr. Bingley in the comments here, I will post some results of my own meager research into this issue. Wondering how common proportionally-spaced typewriters might be in the milita... [Read More]

Tracked on September 9, 2004 04:11 PM

» Forged Document Scandal from The Interocitor
For information on the apparently forged documents that 60 Minutes II, the LA Times and the NY Times used in their stories yesterday and today, please see LGF or Power Line. Most telling is this:The "Memo To File" of August... [Read More]

Tracked on September 9, 2004 04:12 PM

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» Proportional fonts: from jjdaley.com
This is an interesting development in the campaign mudslinging contest. Did the Globe and CBS get taken in on Bush's military records? Powerline raised the question and a forensic document expert consulted by Bill at the INDC Journal seems to think the... [Read More]

Tracked on September 9, 2004 04:16 PM

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» Proportional fonts: from jjdaley.com
This is an interesting development in the campaign mudslinging contest. Did the Globe and CBS get taken in on Bush's military records? Powerline raised the question and a forensic document examiner consulted by Bill at the INDC Journal seems to think t... [Read More]

Tracked on September 9, 2004 04:19 PM

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» The CBS Documents Issue from it comes in pints?
[UPDATE] I was able to see the Powerline post again in a brief bit of uptime. There are several more updates, including a link to Bill at INDC Journal, who asked a forensic expert to look at them. Answer: 90%... [Read More]

Tracked on September 9, 2004 04:22 PM

» Proportional fonts: from jjdaley.com
This is an interesting development in the campaign mudslinging contest. Did the Globe and CBS get taken in on Bush's military records? Powerline raised the question and a forensic document examiner consulted by the INDC Journal seems to think the docum... [Read More]

Tracked on September 9, 2004 04:23 PM

» Proportional fonts: from jjdaley.com
This is an interesting development in the campaign mudslinging contest. Did the Globe and CBS get taken in on Bush's military records? Powerline raised the question and a forensic document examiner consulted by the INDC Journal seems to think the docum... [Read More]

Tracked on September 9, 2004 04:24 PM

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» Faked Documents - Whose blood do the others smell - Bush or Rather? from A Single Southern Guy In America
Alright out of the ordinary for my blog, but as all of the political blogs are hopping on the possibility that Dan Rather may have reported on what may be faked documents, I went ahead and took a peak at... [Read More]

Tracked on September 9, 2004 04:26 PM

» Proportional fonts: from jjdaley.com
This is an interesting development in the campaign mudslinging contest. Did the Globe and CBS get taken in on Bush's military records? Powerline raised the question and a forensic document examiner consulted by the INDC Journal seems to think the docum... [Read More]

Tracked on September 9, 2004 04:27 PM

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» CBS Used Forgeries???? from The Queen of All Evil
If you are gonna try and change history with "a new found memo"; you should at least try and forge them properly! You can't fool the military bloggers or any other blogger with cheap theatrics... I was a clerk/typist for... [Read More]

Tracked on September 9, 2004 04:31 PM

» CBS Forges Documents from cerdipity
The Drudge Report is posting a link to CNS (Cyber News Service) where typography experts point out that documents that CBS proferred as evidence of George W Bush shenanigans during his Air National Guard service. are probably forged using a... [Read More]

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» Yeah, It's Vacation Time from Pandagon
We're now arguing over electric typewriters. Electric. Typewriters. And over allegations that the White House apparently forged documents damaging to the president and then gave them to CBS News. I can't even give the words for how much my spiritual... [Read More]

Tracked on September 9, 2004 04:37 PM

» News you need... from b l o g b a n d i t
Out of 35 nations surveyed, the Philippines is one of only five others who'd rather see Bush elected over Kerry. Oh the irony: P2P company sues RIAA over patent Fort Wayne editorial: Our commitment in Iraq - "We canâ€™t reduce... [Read More]

Tracked on September 9, 2004 04:42 PM

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» Microsoft Word '72 from King of Fools
By now, most should have heard that the documents used by 60 Minutes to bash the President are now of questionable authenticity. The two key posts on the matter are at PowerLine and Little Green Footballs. (Both sites were linked... [Read More]

Tracked on September 9, 2004 04:53 PM

» Faked Documents - Whose blood do the others smell - Bush or Rather? from The Command Post - 2004 US Presidential Election
cross-posted at SSG Alright out of the ordinary for my blog, but as all of the political blogs are hopping on the possibility that Dan Rather may have reported on what may be faked documents, I went ahead and took... [Read More]

Tracked on September 9, 2004 04:54 PM

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» Yeah, It's Vacation Time from Pandagon
We're now arguing over electric typewriters. Electric. Typewriters. And that the White House forged documents damaging to the president. I can't even give the words for how much my spiritual ass hurts right now. UPDATE: So, now, the issue is... [Read More]

Tracked on September 9, 2004 04:56 PM

» CBS caught in a trap... from Qur'an Project
UPDATE III: Power Line is all over this. [Read More]

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» Bush ANG documents: Fake? from The Media Drop
Television-Network News [Read More]

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» Are the Killian Memos Real? from Political Animal
ARE THE KILLIAN MEMOS REAL?....The big question swirling around the blogosphere at the moment is whether the "Killian memos" that CBS aired last night on 60 Minutes are real or not. Powerline appears to be the central clearinghouse for amateur... [Read More]

Tracked on September 9, 2004 05:01 PM

» FORGERIES? from Noble Eagle
The Big Trunk at Powerlineblog is reporting that the memos regarding President Bush's Air National Guard service that were featured on 60 Minutes last night might be forgeries. [Read More]

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» Dirty Tricks? from The Indepundit
DID CBS and the Boston Globe publicize a forged memo? In August 1973, President Bush's superior officer in the Texas Air National Guard wrote a memorandum complaining that the commanding general wanted him to ''sugar coat" an annual officer evaluation... [Read More]

Tracked on September 9, 2004 05:01 PM

» Stuck in the Typewriter Age from Democracy Project
I'm sure many of you have linked to (or tried -- it took some time for me to get through) the remarkable post at Power Line on the possible fabrication of the documents ostensibly from Bush's National Guard duty. They... [Read More]

Tracked on September 9, 2004 05:05 PM

» Highly Out Of The Ordinary from The Brier Patch
In 1972 people used typewriters. But now, the Democrats have uncovered release 0.0001 of Microsoft Word. Seems they didn't think this one through. A few facts. On August 12, 1981, IBM released their new computer, named the IBM PC. The... [Read More]

Tracked on September 9, 2004 05:10 PM

» 60 Minutes from Dumb Celebs
The mainstream media must really be starting to hate the blogosphere right about now. Last night 60 Minutes aired a... [Read More]

Tracked on September 9, 2004 05:12 PM

» Faked Documents - Whose blood do the others smell - Bush or Rather? (UPDATED) from The Command Post - 2004 US Presidential Election
cross-posted at SSG Alright out of the ordinary for my blog, but as all of the political blogs are hopping on the possibility that Dan Rather may have reported on what may be faked documents, I went ahead and took... [Read More]

Tracked on September 9, 2004 05:14 PM

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» Proportional fonts: from jjdaley.com
This is an interesting development in the campaign mudslinging contest. Did the Globe and CBS get taken in on Bush's military records? Powerline raised the question and a forensic document examiner consulted by the INDC Journal seems to think the docum... [Read More]

Tracked on September 9, 2004 05:15 PM

» The Documents were forged! from JustLeftOfCenter
Well, let’s not jump to any conclusions. This rumor is on Drudge, Little green footballs, and PowerlineBlog. The last one has a whole slew of people who swear, up and down, that the so called ‘variable’ type wasn’t ‘common’ at... [Read More]

Tracked on September 9, 2004 05:16 PM

» Power Line: The sixty-first minute - 60 Minutes docs posiblly forged from Kracked
Power Line: The sixty-first minute Every single one of the memos to file regarding Bush's failure to attend a physical and meet other requirements is in a proportionally spaced font, probably Palatino or Times New Roman. In 1972 people used typewri... [Read More]

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» Forged? from In Context
It all started here (#47). Picked up steam here. Hit its stride here and here (expect delays -- Charles is getting an awful lot of... [Read More]

Tracked on September 9, 2004 05:24 PM

» "The issue is resolved." from August J. Pollak - xoverboard.com
Look, Powerline, I get to sound like a douchebag too! Greg and LeanLeft both "resolve the issue" of your and and Charles Johnson's "resolving the issue." Awwww.... [Read More]

Tracked on September 9, 2004 05:24 PM

» Forged? from In Context
It all started here (#47). Picked up steam here. Hit its stride here and here (expect delays -- Charles is getting an awful lot of... [Read More]

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» Power Line Needs a Surge Protector from Irreconcilable Musings
Drudge has picked up the blog-dads' analysis of the recent Bush National Guard documents being used by the mainstream media to deflect his momentum. A strong case is being made that the documents in question are in fact forgeries. As [Read More]

Tracked on September 9, 2004 05:27 PM

» "The issue is resolved." from August J. Pollak - xoverboard.com
Look, Powerline, I get to sound like a moron too! Greg and LeanLeft both "resolve the issue" of your and and Charles Johnson's "resolving the issue." Awwww.... [Read More]

Tracked on September 9, 2004 05:27 PM

» Ironic from QandO
I thought you'd enjoy the graphic that CBS News is displaying over their links to the documents they presented on 60 Minutes. Why, I think we will. Thanks for the advice.... [Read More]

Tracked on September 9, 2004 05:29 PM

» Word is docs may be forgeries from QandO
And Old Dan may have been duped. Bill at INDC has done some leg work and contacted a forensic document examiner to get his take on the possibilty that the documents which were used on last night's "60 Minutes II"... [Read More]

Tracked on September 9, 2004 05:30 PM

» Flip-Flop Gate (isn't that an electric chip?) from Edge of Dawn
Documents on "60 Seconds" May be Fake I really can't believe anyone would stoop to this and so I'd take it with a big grain of salt, but... if this is true, then I think it really would speak volumes... [Read More]

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» CBS plays Americans for Fools from L'Ombre de l'Olivier
CBS is claiming that they have documents written by people covering up for Bush in the ANG which are obvious blatent forgeries. .... Don't believe me then please look at my version of the MSWORD doc [Read More]

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» Three Views On Whether Bush's Military History Should Be An Issue from The Moderate Voice
It's hard to write and see when your head was bitten off by Democrats and Republicans due to a post suggesting enough with the military records already. One private email suggested another spot where The Moderate Voice should put his [Read More]

Tracked on September 9, 2004 05:43 PM

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» What's the Word Processor Kenneth? from Minion of the Great Satan
I'm pretty late to the party, but Powerline(it's been drudged, so good luck getting there), Little Green Footballs(two links), RatherBiased (via SSDB), Captains Quarters, and INDC Journal, Allah, and, by now, along with a zillion others, have noted tha... [Read More]

Tracked on September 9, 2004 05:45 PM

» Vast Left-Wing Conspiracy from Ilyka Damen
No, really, I'm not kidding. It's a vast left-wing conspiracy: 60 minutes ran a story last night about Bush's national guard service. New documents have been uncovered which indicate what may have happened for several months in 1972. However, there... [Read More]

Tracked on September 9, 2004 05:51 PM

» Sixty Minutes Uses Forged Documents to Attack Bush from Josh's Weblog
Via Power Line Blog we find that there are some interesting problems with the documents produced by Sixty Minutes to back up their claims that Bush was not present for his duties with the Texas Air National Guard. Having been... [Read More]

Tracked on September 9, 2004 05:55 PM

» Fake! from Room 101
CBS News has really stepped in it. After coming up with a memos supposedly regarding George W. Bush's attempt to get out of a physical as well as other requirements of Guard service, CBS went with the story last night. [Read More]

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» KEEP READING THE UPDATES from The Spoons Experience
Especially at Powerline. One of the things that initially may have given some of you pause was CBS's initial claim... [Read More]

Tracked on September 9, 2004 06:00 PM

» THE SON from PRESTOPUNDIT -- "Kerry in Cambodia" Wall-to-Wall Coverage
of Lt. Col. Jerry Killian is now challenging the authenticity of the CBS documents which Dan Rather claims are memos from George Bush's commanding officer in the National Guard.... [Read More]

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» KEEP READING THE UPDATES from The Spoons Experience
Especially at Powerline. One of the things that initially may have given some of you pause was CBS's initial claim... [Read More]

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» Scandal? What scandal? from One Fine Jay
Wow, now anyone can make a scandalous Bush memo from 1973 using Microsoft Word, and Times New Roman. Happy-day links: Bill of InDC journal. Allah Pundit Powerline Nice try, folks. [Read More]

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» Were Bush Guard Documents Forged? from TalkLeft: The Politics of Crime
There is quite a debate going on in the blogosphere about the Killiam Memos revealed last night on 60 Minutes regarding Bush's National Guard Service. Powerlinereports on those claiming they are a forgery while Kevin Drum of Washington Monthly reports... [Read More]

Tracked on September 9, 2004 06:07 PM